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Tolmos · Oct 03, 2010, 09:51 AM // 09:51

My primary is currently an elementalist. I really wanted to be able to keep playing this character but was trying to give an SoS rt a try. That being the case, I was curious whether an SoS build using E/Rt would work as well as a pure SoS rt/*.

Whatcha think?

Olle · Oct 03, 2010, 10:59 AM // 10:59

it does indeed, the onlly thing that changes is the armor/health for the spirits, and some damage due to runes(with cons its no diffrence)
heck ive done UW double Spiritspammer with my warrior a few times, it worked good actually (the other rit was /N with blood ritual..)
and with your high energy, you can spam the "better" but higher costing ones, as disenchant,Argony, etc
gl!

Nubarus · Oct 03, 2010, 11:23 AM // 11:23

I have seen many hidden spirit spammers like this so I guess it works on any class. Rangers, Assassins, Elementalists, Warriors, Mesmers, Necromancers and Monks are the ones I seen.

Personally I find it rediculous that people lower themselves to this play style but it's their choice, I from my end choose not to party with people who feel the need to spam spirits with a different class then a Ritualist.

Tolmos · Oct 03, 2010, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Nubarus

Personally I find it rediculous that people lower themselves to this play style but it's their choice, I from my end choose not to party with people who feel the need to spam spirits with a different class then a Ritualist.

lolwut? Someone finds something that appears interesting and fun to them and choose to play it without rerolling an entirely different toon and you alienate them for it? Lucky them not having to group with you in that case. :-P

I Hate Chips · Oct 03, 2010, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

lolwut? Someone finds something that appears interesting and fun to them and choose to play it without rerolling an entirely different toon and you alienate them for it? Lucky them not having to group with you in that case. :-P

Spiritspammers are pretty noob imo if u use it on another character... Because spirit spamming doesnt need any skill or what so ever. The only thing u need are the skills, and press on the skills. That's really it. It's boring, skilless but good, and thats why noobs use it

TalanRoarer · Oct 03, 2010, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Sure it works, but Rt/x will do a FAR better job at it that x/Rt.

Also, every proffesion has more interesting/fun builds to play than SoS, why would you want to spirit spam on a non-ritualist?

Neith · Oct 03, 2010, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Nubarus

I have seen many hidden spirit spammers like this so I guess it works on any class. Rangers, Assassins, Elementalists, Warriors, Mesmers, Necromancers and Monks are the ones I seen.

Personally I find it rediculous that people lower themselves to this play style but it's their choice, I from my end choose not to party with people who feel the need to spam spirits with a different class then a Ritualist.

Completely agree here. We won't take rit secondaries if they want to spirit spam, we prefer the spirits to have more health due to spawning power because the rits spirits will last longer, if you want to play rit make a rit if you want to play ele use ele skills.

mathiastemplar · Oct 03, 2010, 01:52 PM // 13:52

It's not even that powerful.. Only heroes should run it imo.
Lots of stronger builds for you as a human player.

Tolmos · Oct 03, 2010, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Neith

Completely agree here. We won't take rit secondaries if they want to spirit spam, we prefer the spirits to have more health due to spawning power because the rits spirits will last longer, if you want to play rit make a rit if you want to play ele use ele skills.

My reasoning:
A) The elementalist I am using I made 2 days after release and am quite fond of. I'd like to try the ritualist play style but without making a new character and redoing everything I've already done
B) The animation for ritualists casting spells is the stuff nightmares are made of

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Originally Posted by mathiastemplar

It's not even that powerful.. Only heroes should run it imo.
Lots of stronger builds for you as a human player.

Definitely open to suggestion. I saw an SoS rt in action and thought "Wow, I wanna try that. Looks awesome". But if there is something better I'd be happy to go for it.

Neith · Oct 03, 2010, 02:21 PM // 14:21

try it on a vanquish, but don't try it in a party. if your ele is your main i would assume you are going for titles which means you are probably going for skill hunter. We had a guildie use that for her vanquishes but when she was in a party she would switch to mesmer skills. If you like it that much when you do a vanquish buy a character slot and create a rit to use in parties. use your ele as a rit secondary to farm feathers also but please don't use it in a party for a group. there are already too many SoS spammers out there we don't need to add another one.

Lord Dagon · Oct 03, 2010, 02:26 PM // 14:26

it most deffinatly works. Personally i do it on my ele for MQVQ till my ritualist gets there. It's even listed under the "meta" section of PvX.(not that that means much)

jensyea · Oct 03, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

Spiritspammers are pretty noob imo if u use it on another character... Because spirit spamming doesnt need any skill or what so ever. The only thing u need are the skills, and press on the skills. That's really it. It's boring, skilless but good, and thats why noobs use it

Who else lol'ed when the warrior told the */Rt spirit spammer that spamming skills is newb and requires no actual skill?

Bandwagon · Oct 03, 2010, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by jensyea

Who else lol'ed when the warrior told the */Rt spirit spammer that spamming skills is newb and requires no actual skill?

I did, but thats besides the point.

Honestly there is nothing wrong with going /Rt and spirit spamming. SoS is OP and deals insane damage (compared to ele's in HM), having no SoS is worse than having a /Rt SoS.

Pugging might be difficult because all the Rit primaries will cry (rightly so, some only play Rt/ because of SoS, and do not have the necessary skills to go backline).

Chthon · Oct 03, 2010, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

My primary is currently an elementalist. I really wanted to be able to keep playing this character but was trying to give an SoS rt a try. That being the case, I was curious whether an SoS build using E/Rt would work as well as a pure SoS rt/*.

Whatcha think?

No. X/Rt SoS builds are always strictly inferior to Rt primary SoS builds, and by a large margin. 16 Channeling (over 12) and any Spawning Power (over none) make a big difference. People who run X/Rt SoS builds do so because they suck at their primary so badly that they cannot produce a build that outperforms a gimped imitation of a Rit build. Don't be one of those people.

Lord Dagon · Oct 03, 2010, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Chthon

No. X/Rt SoS builds are always strictly inferior to Rt primary SoS builds, and by a large margin. 16 Channeling (over 12) and any Spawning Power (over none) make a big difference. People who run X/Rt SoS builds do so because they suck at their primary so badly that they cannot produce a build that outperforms a gimped imitation of a Rit build. Don't be one of those people.

i call BS. i run SoS on my elementalist because, hey guess what, i think its fun. I have builds that are stronger then SoS(AP MS, Searing Flames, etc). Its fun to run the build and really easy. Its also alot better then jsut sitting there and clicking inbetween 3 skills while keeping attunements up.
Also having not to jsut rely on your first profession inst a bad thing(eles are preety under-powered in HM)

I Hate Chips · Oct 03, 2010, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by jensyea

Who else lol'ed when the warrior told the */Rt spirit spammer that spamming skills is newb and requires no actual skill?

Explain please

Nubarus · Oct 03, 2010, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

lolwut? Someone finds something that appears interesting...........

There is very little "interesting" about it really, the whole new Spirit Spamming way Anet chose to add to the game is the reason the Ritualist class is now less fun to play, at least to those that played a Ritualist long before the skill changes.

This includes me as well, I used to love playing my Ritualist, now it's a mule for obvious reasons.

**cosyfiep** · Oct 03, 2010, 06:55 PM // 18:55

I have a me/rt as well as a n/rt both of whom run sos....with NO problems (though I dont do pugs and my guild is ME)....I have no problems with it in hm either. If you wish to play your e/rt do as your heart desires, though from the posts above, understand you will probably NOT find a group that is willing to allow that build----

(so keep that ele primary build handy)

I have also seen a w/rt who was very effective (we finished arachni HM together when our runner died too many times--leaving just him and me --smiter)....

RedDog91 · Oct 03, 2010, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

Spiritspammers are pretty noob imo if u use it on another character... Because spirit spamming doesnt need any skill or what so ever. The only thing u need are the skills, and press on the skills. That's really it. It's boring, skilless but good, and thats why noobs use it

the bolded part can be said for 99.9% of builds on every profession.
Only 1 out of a thousand builds require thought.

And I wouldn't say its noob to play as an SoS. Its useful for farming in most areas, particularly for your 5 Nick-gifts each week. And the fact that it can be used on any profession with rit secondary just makes it even more useful, as you don't need to make a rit solely for the purpose of farming a certain area (like how all the people who made sins solely to farm a certain area)

Chthon · Oct 04, 2010, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

If you wish to play your e/rt do as your heart desires, though from the posts above, understand you will probably NOT find a group that is willing to allow that build----

(so keep that ele primary build handy)

Actually, I don't expect eles to bring ele primary builds either. I expect them to run ER E/Mo. Tobi is correct that ele primary builds don't fare very well in HM at all. Still, that's not an excuse to make a bad copy of another class's build and pretend it's awesomesauce.